It’s always been commonplace in sci-fi to have minds moving around between people, from people to computers, from people to robots, aliens to people, or whatever. It’s usually done by some process which scans the brain, produces a perfect representation of the state of the brain and then translates that into a simulation that can run on some kind of computing infrastructure (including another brain.) I’ve done it myself in several stories. But what no-one seems to get about this ‘uploading your mind’ thing is that a person’s awareness is not transferred at all (well, alright, maybe David Brin gets it.)
If I were to copy my mind, even destructively, the copy would not be me. It might think it’s me, but it isn’t. I’m me and I continue to be me, unless the copying process kills me, in which case I’m still me but dead. I don’t continue in any way in another body. I just die in this old one.
How do I know I’m me in this situation? Because I have no access to the thoughts and feelings of the copy. My awareness is still confined to my own self. If I die in the copying process, I experience my own death and then nothing else – something my copy does not experience.
Consciousness isn’t a ‘stuff’ that can be moved from one brain to another, like a bucketful of water. It’s an epiphenomenon of brain activity. People who think that minds can be moved from one body to another without the original mind remaining in the original body, or dying, are probably confusing the mind with the soul. Since the soul is a magical idea not a real thing, I have nothing at all to say about it. Souls are the province of theologians and fantasy writers, not scientists or science fiction writers.
I’m quite happy with the idea that programs in computers are ‘people’ if they’re copies of people who were people running on some other infrastructure. So, I could happily say that, making a copy of me creates a new person. Thus killing a copy should be considered murder. (Pay attention David Brin and Sean Williams – they, like so many others, have protagonists who commit multiple murders in this way. Not really an heroic trait!)

Even IBM gets it right
And it’s not just moving minds around that has this problem. Teleportation is exactly the same. In the stories, teleportation works much the same way mind uploading works. You scan a body (including their mind) and transmit the state of it to some other place where the body (and mind) is recreated. The transmission may be of the actual particles which constituted the body, or it may be of the information gleaned in the scan. Either way, the body is destroyed in one place, information about it is beamed across space, and it is rebuilt in another place.
What happens in this scenario is that the original body is killed and a new copy of the body is created somewhere else. A little thought experiment will make this obvious. Imagine that the scan of the person to be transported is not destructive. Clearly the object appearing at the other end is a copy and not the original. Still not convinced? Imagine that the scan is destructive but takes several hours or days to destroy the original (the copy being produced instantly at the receiving end.) Now the original is clearly seen to be experiencing a lingering death (rather than an instant one.) Need more? Imagine that two copies are made at the receiving end, or a dozen.
The confusion, in both cases (brain uploads and teleportation) is partly because the apparent continuity of experience felt by the copy is compelling both for it and for an external observer, as long as the original is destroyed in the act of copying. The rest of the confusion comes from the magical notion that a soul is being transferred, as I mentioned before.
Uploading a mind as a way of gaining immortality is therefore a rather stupid mistake. For the person attempting it, it would be quite a letdown for them to discover they have no access to the upload’s experiences but are still ‘there’ in their own, dying body. Of course, even understanding this won’t deter some megalomaniacs who believe themselves to be so valuable that a copy of themselves ought to persist in the world.












hmm. this got me thinking. it would be rather disappointing if you uploaded your mind and found that the most important part (ie your consciousness) didn’t get uploaded at all. and that you just stopped and didn’t get access to new experiences. as a means of achieving immortality, that would be as effective a mechanism as having children.
Ha! I was going to say ‘clones’ but ‘children’ is funnier!
I have a ‘yes, but’ for you , mate.
I have mss number 2 ready to send out which explore this very topic. When the personality is uploaded from a dying body the clone picks up the stream of consciousness of the individual at the point it (he/she) is activated. from that moment onwards the clone is the person. the original does not exist anymore.
When we wake up each day we regain consciousness and think nothing of it, we do not weep for the death of our yesterday self for we are still present today. In much the same way the clone lives the real life – especially important if the original body has died.
of course if it hasn’t died then we have another great story of multiple lives , black market shenanigans and hands off, thanks very much.
Soapbox, anyone?
“we do not weep for the death of our yesterday self for we are still present today”
I suppose you’d agree that, if we died in our sleep, we wouldn’t be present today, so the ‘stream of consciousness’ you mention will stop – as dead as we are. It won’t matter then, to us, that some other entity wakes up thinking it’s us.
I don’t deny that my copy thinks it is me. I just deny that it is! And what do I care how many copies of me think they really, really are me? It does me no good at all. The only awareness I have access to is my own.
Yes! Totally agree about the uploaded mind not being me, and I always get annoyed when people ignore this. Glad I’m not alone!
However I don’t really have a problem with teleportation – I agree that the scan/copy arrangement wouldn’t be me, but if it involves transfering my actual particles, surely it’s possible to envisage a system which involves the relocation rather than the destruction of me to do it?
An admittedly improbable form of transportation, but then so is your standard time travel which if you think about it is more often than not ‘time teleportation’ i.e. jumping immediately from one time to a totally different one. I’ve often thought that proper travelling through time (i.e. seeing it go ‘past’ you rather than jumping from one point to another) would be more plausible. (An positron is an electron travelling backwards in time etc.) But I digress…
“I’ve often thought that proper travelling through time (i.e. seeing it go ‘past’ you rather than jumping from one point to another) would be more plausible.”
Obviously H G Wells agreed with you, Dan. I was only eleven or twelve when I first read The Time Machine but I found the way he described time travel so intellectually exciting that I’m still writing my own time travel stories all these years later. My latest time travel novel has people physically transported through a different medium, outside space-time, thus avoiding your time-teleportation problem. Of course that is another world of invented physics problems…
Sounds interesting!
On the original topic of mind copying, I’ve just seen the new movie Moon, and this deals with it most excellently.